Inside PR 444: Fine-tuning the PESO Model

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Are you using the PESO – paid, earned, shared, owned – model of PR? Trying to understand why Google is introducing another new chat app? Trying to figure our how to use Apple’s new Podcasts Connect portal. Or just trying to protect your PR company from defamation litigation arising from online activity?

Gini Dietrich, Martin Waxman and Joseph Thornley tackle these topics and more in this week’s Inside PR podcast.

#IPRMustKnow

Allo Google?

In this week’s #IPRMustKnow segment, we talk about Google’s announcement of Allo and Duo. Allo is an intelligent chat app. Duo is a new one to one video calling app. They will be added to Google’s existing Messenger and Hangouts app, giving Google a total of four messenger apps in the market. (Did we say Google+? Not really, as it looks like G+ is continuing its long fadeaway.) We talk about what Google is up to. Why new apps when it has two reasonably successful apps already in the market? The answer seems to lie in the integration of Google’s intelligent assistant. But with all the churn in apps, has it lost the trust of people? Has it lost the sheen of the new that enabled newer entrants like Instagram and Snapchat to catch on. Can a middle-aged Google compete with the new and lean startups that have come up? Or will its huge database of knowledge about us give it an unassailable advantage in the era of the intelligent assistant.?

Protecting your company against defamation litigation

If you are an online publisher, you may find yourself on the wrong side of a defamation lawsuit. Gini points us to an article in PR Week by Michael Lasky of law firm Davis & Gilbert. Practical advice for the firm with a problem.

Understanding Apple’s Podcasts Connect Portal

If you’re a professional communicator, the odds are that you are creating a podcast or are considering starting a podcast. iTunes is the channel through which most people receive their podcasts. And it also has a reputation among podcasters to be demanding and unforgiving in setting up and maintaining podcasts. Recently, Apple has introduced Podcasts Connect, a new portal through which podcasters register and list their podcasts through iTunes. And as an illustration of nothing is ever as straightforward as it should be or may appear to be, reports have bounced around social media about podcasters messing up their podcast listing on iTunes as a result of changes they have made via Podcasts Connect. Happily, we have YouTube. And Libsyn, one of the leading podcast hosting services (ProPR.ca is hosted on Libsyn) has posted an “Explaining Podcasts Connect”  explainer video. Libsyn’s Krystal O’Connor walks through the functions of Podcasts Connect and shows how to use each. A great resource for newbie or experienced podcasters alike.

The PESO – Paid, Earned, Shared, Owned – Model of PR

For our main discussion, we turn to a couple articles Gini Dietrich wrote regarding the PESO Model – the Paid, Earned, Owned, Shared Model  and using PESO to drive your PR program. We talk about which to prioritize each tactic, how to integrate the paid portion and how to measure the effectiveness of each in our own programs.

 

We’d love to know what you think.

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Inside PR 418: The IPR Book Club

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Joseph Thornley here. On this week’s Inside PR, Gini Dietrich, Martin Waxman and I talk about Gini’s experiment reposting older content and some of the trends in blogging and publishing that it pointed to.

Also, this week, we launch the Inside PR Book Club #IPRBookClub. Each month, we will ask the Inside PR community to suggest a book that they would like to discuss with us. We’ll name the book at the beginning of the month and then take two or three weeks to read it. As we do this, we’ll invite our listeners to read the book as well. And then, most importantly, we’ll ask you to share with us your impressions of the book. What was most useful? What rang true? What missed? We’ll ask you to submit your impressions as comments on the IPR blog. Or even better, we’ll ask you to send us audio comments to the [email protected] email address. Then we’ll collect your comments and our own impressions and put together a special Inside PR episode in which we discuss the book. And I mean WE. Because we plan to play your audio comments and read the comments you leave on the Inside PR blog. Yes, we’re going to not just review books  but make this a real book club with all of us taking part in the discussion.

For our first book, we’re going to talk about something that should be of interest to the podcaster in all of us, The Business of Podcasting by Donna Papacosta and Steve Lubetkin. This is a brand new book by two podcasters who share with us the lessons they have each learned in over a decade of experience in podcasting. It’s a short read – perhaps two hours time. Full of tips and examples. You can get your copy from Amazon.

We also have our #IPRMustKnow segment. This week, we tell you about three things we think you should be sure to note:

The New York Times is reinventing the way it presents advertisements on mobile devices;

Facebook marches on. They now can claim 1.49 BILLION monthly active users. Facebook, he Internet for most of us.

Gini points us to an article of useful tips to ensure that we stay on the right side of the law with our visual storytelling.

We do this for you. And we’d love to hear from you.

Send us an email or an audio comment to [email protected], join the FIR Google+ Community, join the Inside PR Google+ Community, join the Inside PR Facebook group, leave us a comment here, message us @inside_pr on Twitter, or connect with Gini Dietrich, Joseph Thornley, and Martin Waxman on Twitter.

And we have a favor to ask: if you like this podcast, please rate us on iTunes.

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Inside PR 405: Starbucks Starcrossed

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On this week’s Inside PR, Gini Dietrich, Martin Waxman and I talk about three issues: Starbuck’s #RaceTogether initiative, the change to Google’s search algorithm to penalize Websites that are not mobile-friendly, and another move by Facebook to make itself more inviting to advertisers.

Starbucks #RaceTogether

Looking back at  Starbucks’ #RaceTogether campaign, I can’t help but feel that, while laudable in intent, RaceTogether showed a remarkable lack of self awareness on Starbucks’ account. Martin and Gini disagree. They see more positive than negative in Starbucks’ initiative and its handling of the subsequent fallout.

Gini feels that Starbucks succeeded in getting us to talk about the issue. I think that Starbucks succeeded in getting us to talk about Starbucks – and not in a positive way. I think the issue came apart because of a lack of self awareness on Starbucks’ part. I see it as an unequal power relationship. A chain that sells premium-priced coffee to a well-heeled clientele asks its fairly low paid employees to raise a highly sensitive topic across the counter. Gini pushes back. She talks about her experience of her local Starbucks. Martin sees it as a grand gesture in the finest tradition of liberalism. Gini gets the last word. We’re talking about it. Starbucks had some success and she suggests they should not be timid about this type of social initiative in the future.

Mobile-friendly by April 21 or else

But that’s not all we talk about. We also point to the pending April 21 change to Google’s algorithm penalize Websites that are not mobile-friendly. Communications execs, make sure that your sites are up to date or be ready to see them disappear from the front page of Google Search.

Facebook entices advertisers

Finally, we discuss the disappearance of comments from corporate Facebook pages. Just one more step by Facebook to make Facebook a more attractive platform for advertisers.

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Inside PR 2.39 – LinkedIn Recommendations and Social Networks In Egypt

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We’re trying something new starting this week. Rather than give you the time sections of the podcast, we’re taking a cue from NPR and writing an accompanying blog post with each podcast.

So here we are…on our 39th (can that be right??) episode of Inside PR. This week we answer a bunch of questions from our listeners and we touch on the crisis in Egypt.

Shel Holtz sends in an audio question (we love him!) and Guy Skipworth asks about former employees having online relationships with your clients after they leave your agency. You can listen to our discussion about both in the podcast.

Long-time listener Danny Starr says,

“Just catching up on old episodes and the discussion on “making” viral video was really good. One thing that I think needs to be pointed out about viral video is that you never know what’s going to hit it big… and while there are things you can do like capture something funny or unexpected in the footage, I think that anyone setting out to achieve the result of having a video go viral – and we need to be clear that viral is a result, not really a strategy – needs to be putting up many different things.”

The thing is, Danny, we agree with you. In fact, at Arment Dietrich, when we get a call about making a viral video, we always joke internally that we’ll create the video the client wants and then have two guys kicking each other in the nuts so it does go viral. Not really a strategy, but we’re certain it would work! And yes, I say “nuts” in the recording.

And, while we don’t spend much time talking about what’s going on in Egypt, we do ask (and answer) an important question, “Is Internet use a human right?”

Hope you enjoy this week’s Inside PR!

And tell us…what do you think of the new format? Do you have other comments? Send us an email or an audio comment to [email protected], join the Inside PR Facebook group, leave us a comment here, or message us @inside_pr on Twitter. Or connect with Martin Waxman, Joe Thornley, and me on Twitter.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.38 – Wednesday, January 26, 2011

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe talk about the three questions that need to be asked before accepting a controversial client.

0:27 Martin opens the show.

0:49 Joe is recording from Calgary as he is accompanying C.C. Chapman on the Content Rules Third Tuesday digital media meetups across Canada.

2:04 Gini has been following along and recommends that everyone check out Joe’s blog for interviews with C.C.

3:27 Joe starts off this week’s topic: how to approach controversial clients.

5:01 Martin believes that everyone deserves to have their voice heard, however, he feels he has the right to decide which clients he wants his agency to represent.

6:43 Gini draws from experience earlier in her career on working with tobacco clients. However, she notes that as an agency owner, she has a say as to who she wants to work with and is in a unique position.

8:15 Gini adds that it’s also incredibly important to look at the entire organization when taking on a new client because you want to benefit the company as whole.

9:25 Martin feels culture and leadership are also important things to consider when taking on a controversial client.

12:01 Listening to your organization as a whole is important. Early on when Joe had first started his agency with Terry Fallis, they chose not to work with certain businesses for personal reasons. As the agency grew, there were other opinions to consider.

12:30 Joe recently wrote a blog post on three questions you need to ask before accepting a controversial client. He talks about them.

15:06 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.37 – Wednesday, January 19, 2011

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe discuss the HR aspect of managing an agency and giving references.

0:27 Martin opens the show.

1:13 Martin shares this week’s topic, HR and hiring from the perspective of an agency owner.

2:37 Gini shares her perspective on giving references.

4:58 Joe weighs in and explains why it can be complicated to give references.

6:55 Gini wonders if a friend at different agency knows she is hiring someone who isn’t a good fit for her agency, should they say anything?

8:43 Martin says there is a real fine line between what can be said and what can’t.

10:47 Joe would not say anything negative about anyone.

12:30 Gini shares how her agency approaches references.

13:57 Joe highlights the legal limitations on giving references.

16:15 Martin mentions that when it is time for someone to leave, he always hopes it is on good terms as he hates the notion of the door being slammed shut.

17:05 Joe talks about how references are not as important as accomplishments are with people who have been at one particular company or agency for a long period of time.

17:25 Joe looks at someone’s ability to stick with something for a long time more than references.

20:30 Joe asks listeners what their take is on the situation as an employee.

21:05 Martin also wonders how listeners approach job seekers who ask about a place they used to work at.

21:18 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.35 – Wednesday, January 5, 2011

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe kick off the new year by talking about what they think will be the next big thing in 2011.

0:24 Martin opens the show.

1:36 Following up to the previous episode on Inside PR, Martin mentions that this week, they will be talking about three things that may be on the next big thing in social media or PR.

3:40 Using the example of Facebook raising 500 million dollars from Goldman Sachs, Joe wonders if this trend will lead to companies rushing to sell rather than thoroughly develop their product.

6:16 Gini feels like it’s 2000 again with all the money being thrown around these days.

6:35 Joe hopes that government will go past the experimentation stage with social media and really embrace it.

8:05 Martin wonders if the WikiLeaks controversy will affect how governments approach open data.

8:55 Joe points out that WikiLeaks wasn’t the result of a social media problem, but rather a leaky employee problem.

11:05 Gini talks about the FCC’s decision on net neutrality and how there are two versions of the internet now.

14:00 On the CBC Spark podcast, Barbara Van Shewick was interviewed about internet architecture and innovation. Joe recommends listening to it as the interview explores interesting and complex issues.

17:15 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.33 – Wednesday, December 15, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe discuss the top trends in 2010 in part one of a two part episode.

0:26 Martin opens the show.

0:57 Martin announces this week’s topic: a look at trends in 2010.

1:36 Martin shares some listener comments. The first comes from Lisa Gerber.

2:35 The second comments comes from Marike Timmermans, who thanks Martin, Gini and Joe for sharing their perspectives on pitching to the media and “PR spam”.

6:30 Joe brings up a “trend” that never caught on – 3D TVs.

8:30 Joe talks about a trend that particularly stood out to him – the emergence of tablets and the evolution of cellphones and mobile media devices.

9:42 Martin notes that he’s not a Mac or Apple person, but he picked up an iPad and felt like it was something that worked.

10:20 Gini’s husband, who was resistant to the idea of an iPad at first, eventually saw the value in one.

11:15 Joe brings up another trend for 2010: content that is fluid across all devices.

11:30 Gini has seen a big shift toward the clients with respect to web content and materials for many businesses.

12:40 Martin agrees and says it’s reminiscent of an older approach to customer service.

14:02 Martin shares a trend he’s noticed: the number of people embracing social networks. He mentions how the Library of Congress is set to acquire Twitter’s entire archive.

17:11 Martin closes the show and notes that they’ll carry on the discussion in next week’s episode.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.32 – Wednesday, December 8, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe discuss PR, bloggers and blogola.

0:25 Martin opens the show.

1:48 Martin thanks Mary from Buzz4biz.ca for commenting on episode 2.28 and sharing what she would have changed in her career and Katie Stambeck, a PR student, weighs in on what made sense to her in terms of engagement on her blog.

3:32 Joe feels that when people comment on Inside PR topics of discussion and continue the conversation on their blogs, it validates what they do every week.

5:28 Gini announces this week’s topic, inspired by a blog post by Danny Brown. An anonymous blogger, “Sarah”, shares why she thinks PR people get paid and bloggers don’t. Gini disagrees with “Sarah” and tells us why.

8:55 Martin is surprised by Sarah’s comments and thinks she’s missing some of the main points of the social media landscape and networking.

10:05 Joe thinks Sarah’s post is actually tongue-in-cheek.

13:30 Gini asks Joe how he determined that Sarah’s post was supposed to be humourous and Joe explains.

14:00 Joe doesn’t understand why Sarah is writing anonymously.

15:30 Martin agrees and notes that your opinion doesn’t have much value if you don’t have the guts to stand behind it.

16:20 Joe brings up some good points on the topic of social media “A-Listers”.

18:25 Gini agrees and points out it makes more sense to pitch someone who is an influencer in their niche community than an “A-Lister”.

20:02 Joe mentions that Terry Fallis’ book, The Best Laid Plans, has been selected as one of the final five short-list candidates for the Canada Reads Most Essential Canadian Novel of the Decade. Congratulations, Terry!

21:32 Joe recommends that everyone check out Mitch Joel’s interview with Neville Hobson on Mitch’s Six Pixels podcast.

22:40 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.31 – Wednesday, December 1, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe discuss PR spam and the difference between community and engagement.

0:25 Martin opens the show.

0:48 Martin announces this week’s topic, based on a suggestion from Petya Georgieva about PR spam. Petya asks what is social media PR spam and how does it differ from press release spam?

1:59 Gini points out that we talk about how bad it is to pitch to people to journalist and bloggers we don’t have relationships with, but many professionals still do it. Why?

3:55 Joe feels that hand built lists should be used whenever possible, but that’s not always possible depending on circumstances.

5:12 Gini shares an example of an unsolicited pitch she received from a vice-president at a global agency.

6:15 Martin doesn’t see any harm in asking if someone wants to receive information first. It helps build relationships.

8:03 Joe really likes Martin’s approach.

9:15 Joe believes a lot of junior practitioners don’t realize a small number of quality hits is a success.

10:20 Martin shares an approach to media relations developed by one of the VPs at energi pr, Lindsay Peterson.

11:15 Martin asks Gini about audience is on her blog, Spin Sucks, who are really engaged.

12:38 Gini differentiates between engagement and community.

14:48 Joe commends Gini on how she’s brought together a community on her various social channels.

16:30 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.