Inside PR 3.11: We’re baaaack…

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Well, it’s fall 2012, our extended summer vacation is over and we’re excited to be starting a new season of Inside PR.

We hope you’ve enjoyed our collection of interviews and want to thank our listeners for being patient and to welcome all of you back.

This week, we catch up by mentioning a few of the changes that have happened since our last recording including the fact that Google has eclipsed Microsoft as the second largest technology company by market cap. Byng is getting closer to Facebook and that’s making it a more relevant search engine. And Twitter’s closing the gates to their API and leaving some of the developers who’ve helped build the service behind.

As many of you know, Gini has just finished 25 weeks on the road, launching her new book, Marketing in the Round and she talks about some of the things she’s learned.

She said she was most surprised by the length of the process – a full year to sign a contract, write, edit, publish a book and then another few months for people to start reading and talking about it and for the authors to know if they’re making an impact. That’s very different from the instant gratification we get from blog posts and online social interactions.

She also found traditional sales measurement lacking. It takes a couple of weeks to receive reports and they only track hardcover sales and not special sales or ebooks. She says she’s used to working in a fast-paced world and publishing is more traditional and slower.

So what’s on the horizon for Inside PR?  We’re happy to be partnering with PRSA again. Joe and Martin will be at the International Conference recording video and audio interviews with some of the speakers and thought leaders. Martin’s also presenting a session called Social Media Barometer. So if you’re there, please say hi.

We’re also excited to be sponsoring MeshMarketing 2012 in Toronto.  We’ll be talking to some of the presenters including Kristina Halvorson and the organizing team and will be roving reporters at the event – which always features innovative thinkers in the social and digital space.

And we’re interested to hear from you and any ideas you have about what you’d like us to discuss.

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Inside PR 2.38 – Wednesday, January 26, 2011

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe talk about the three questions that need to be asked before accepting a controversial client.

0:27 Martin opens the show.

0:49 Joe is recording from Calgary as he is accompanying C.C. Chapman on the Content Rules Third Tuesday digital media meetups across Canada.

2:04 Gini has been following along and recommends that everyone check out Joe’s blog for interviews with C.C.

3:27 Joe starts off this week’s topic: how to approach controversial clients.

5:01 Martin believes that everyone deserves to have their voice heard, however, he feels he has the right to decide which clients he wants his agency to represent.

6:43 Gini draws from experience earlier in her career on working with tobacco clients. However, she notes that as an agency owner, she has a say as to who she wants to work with and is in a unique position.

8:15 Gini adds that it’s also incredibly important to look at the entire organization when taking on a new client because you want to benefit the company as whole.

9:25 Martin feels culture and leadership are also important things to consider when taking on a controversial client.

12:01 Listening to your organization as a whole is important. Early on when Joe had first started his agency with Terry Fallis, they chose not to work with certain businesses for personal reasons. As the agency grew, there were other opinions to consider.

12:30 Joe recently wrote a blog post on three questions you need to ask before accepting a controversial client. He talks about them.

15:06 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.35 – Wednesday, January 5, 2011

• • canadian podcasting, Government Relations, Inside PR, Show Notes, social media

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe kick off the new year by talking about what they think will be the next big thing in 2011.

0:24 Martin opens the show.

1:36 Following up to the previous episode on Inside PR, Martin mentions that this week, they will be talking about three things that may be on the next big thing in social media or PR.

3:40 Using the example of Facebook raising 500 million dollars from Goldman Sachs, Joe wonders if this trend will lead to companies rushing to sell rather than thoroughly develop their product.

6:16 Gini feels like it’s 2000 again with all the money being thrown around these days.

6:35 Joe hopes that government will go past the experimentation stage with social media and really embrace it.

8:05 Martin wonders if the WikiLeaks controversy will affect how governments approach open data.

8:55 Joe points out that WikiLeaks wasn’t the result of a social media problem, but rather a leaky employee problem.

11:05 Gini talks about the FCC’s decision on net neutrality and how there are two versions of the internet now.

14:00 On the CBC Spark podcast, Barbara Van Shewick was interviewed about internet architecture and innovation. Joe recommends listening to it as the interview explores interesting and complex issues.

17:15 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.34 – Wednesday, December 22, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin, Gini and Joe finish discussing the trends of 2010 in their final episode of the year.

0:30 Martin opens the show.

1:36 Joe continues on the discussion by talking about his next trend, the social networking darlings: Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.

3:32 Gini references a chart by Business Insider that demonstrates how Twitter is being used.

4:00 Joe cites two Canadian examples of how Twitter is being used as a newswire of sorts.

6:16 Gini brings up the next trend: The PR industry talks about measurement a lot but we don’t really seem to know how to do it.

7:31 Joe mentions a post by Jeremiah Owyang on the subject that he recommends checking out.

8:35 Martin doesn’t think algorithims can explain it all. We need a human perspective.

9:00 Martin talks about a new trend: Too many PR practitioners are focusing too much on broadcasting and not enough on building relationships.

10:06 Joe talks about his final trend for 2010: The drop-off of unique, interesting voices in the blogosphere. He mentions a blog post by Brian Solis on the state of the blogosphere in 2010 on the importance of blogging.

13:26 Gini fears another dot-com burst with all the Google-Groupon type deals taking place.

16:05 Martin announces the last trend of the episode: The reemergence of Wikis.

19:40 Martin recaps the trends discussed in this week’s episode.

20:35 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.25 – Wednesday, October 20, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin and Joe talk about how the media landscape is changing online.

0:28 Martin opens the show.

1:54 Martin introduces an audio comment from long-time listener, Jody Koehler, founder of Coopr PR in the Netherlands. Jody comments on his own use of Twitter.

3:44 Joe agrees with Jody about the power of Twitter and how it transcends geography.

4:40 Joe encourages listeners to share both audio and video comments on the Inside PR Facebook Group.

5:15 Martin announces this week’s topic: further changes in the media landscape. He comments on how the Toronto Star is now including content from the NY Times.

7:30 Joe mentions The Globe and Mail’s recent revamp and how it ties in with what Jeff Jarvis is saying about publicness.

10:15 Joe adds that papers are taking steps to monetize content online.

12:00 Martin shares an observation from Matthew Ingram, the former community manager at the Globe and Mail.

13:00 Joe notes that newspapers are having the same problem as bloggers with articles posted online – the conversation is moving away from the source. Joe wonders about the implications this has on public relations.

15:03 Joe believes that if you want to deal with the media these days, it helps to follow reporters and have them follow you and be able to offer something of value.

19:00 Martin suggests discussing the future of publishing in a future episode.

19:30 Joe recommends checking out Jeff Jarvis’ recent video on Buzz Machine about publicness and how it will effect the future of newspapers.

20:35 Martin closes the show


Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.22 – Wednesday, September 29, 2010

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0:26 Martin opens the show.

1:53 Martin announces that they will not being talking about New Twitter this week because a more current topic came along.

2:09 Martin shares a listener comment from Barbara Nixon about last week’s show and how she’s encouraging her students to listen.

2:53 The second comment comes from Mia Salituro who writes a blog about networking. She shares some tips for students around building your personal brand.

3:57 The last comment comes from Martin’s colleague at Energi PR, Sean Bailey. Sean asks what Martin, Gini and Joe’s stance is on “liking” or “following” a client’s competitor on Facebook and Twitter? Is it a form of monitoring, or is it different because it’s a public display of liking the competing brand? Martin ties Sean’s question into the recent Netflix ethical breach.

5:22 Gini answers Sean’s question and shares her perspective on the matter and she, Martin and Joe discuss.

14:33 Martin says that he hates the term “pr stunt”.

14:42 Gini shares why she’s not a fan of the term either.

16:10 Gini talks about a recent chat she participated in that connected bloggers with PR professionals that could offer them advice. Gini dispelled the rumour that PR firms only pay attention to A-list bloggers. It’s the job of the PR professional to find bloggers who are influential in their specific community or niche.

23:11 Martin says that as communicators, it’s important to read a lot of blogs and a lot of different kinds of blogs.

27:45 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.21 – Wednesday, September 22, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe start the first show of the fall season with a discussion about various newsworthy and interesting topics.

0:26 Martin opens the show.

2:37 Joe brings up the incident where Air Canada damaged the wheel chair of a young boy and how Air Canada did not respond to it on Twitter. However, they have been making progress with @actoptier.

4:02 Martin shares a listener comment from Sharrilynne  Starkie. She agreed with all the advice Martin, Gini and Joe gave students but wanted to suggest another RSS reader, BlogBridge.

4:38 Martin kicks off the first episode of the fall with several news items and topics of discussion.

5:28 Gini starts off with the first item: Interviewees should always have questions for the interviewer. She suggests checking out John Heaney’s video about how to ask questions in an interview.

8:08 Gini shares the second topic: Should we use time on a plane to work or relax? She references Craig Jarrow’s 8 Ways to get Work Done on a Plane.

10:40 Gini brings up her last topic: Are we having natural conversations?

15:30 Joe shares his three topics. The first is anonymity in comments, inspired by an incident in PEI that led CBC to ban anonymous comments and require commenters to sign up before they can post one.

18:48 Joe shares his second topic: did social media kill RSS? He talks about a Neiman Labs blog post that discusses the debate.

21:20 Joe’s last topic: Does social intent determine if social networking tools succeed or fail? Fred Wilson thinks so.

24:08 Joe adds one last news worthy topic: Cranky Geeks is shutting down.

26:42 Martin jumps in with a few news worthy topics of his own. This first being about BCE’s purchase of CTV.

31:07 Martin shares his last topic: There is a social media learning curve.

32:37 Joe wants to know if you are using the new Twitter, how are you using it?

34:28 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.20 – Wednesday, September 15, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe kick off the new school year with a discussion about the social media tools every new PR student needs.

0:26 Martin opens the show.

1:43 Joe mentions that it’s the beginning of a new school year and that Martin is teaching again at McMaster’s PR program.

2:44 Martin kicks off the discussion about this week’s topic: social media tools every new PR student needs.

3:03 Joe shares the first tip: remember there is only one you and be consistent with how you present yourself across all mediums.

4:40 Joe reminds students to build a professional profile from day one.

5:40 Gini gives some advice for students who are hesitant to start a blog.

7:37 Martin points out how important it is to be careful about what you post online.

8:28 Joe stresses the importance of communicating and engaging.

11:26 Joe shares the 3 places students need to be to build their online profile: a blog of their own, Twitter and LinkedIn.

14:56 Martin says students need to have a good RSS reader to organize all their feeds and stay current.

16:05 Gini adds that she always asks interviewees about the last book they read, magazines they read and blogs they subscribe to. It’s important to be well read.

20:00 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.18 – Wednesday, September 1, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin,  Gini and Joe return from their vacation and discuss books, the publishing industry and how the way we read might differ entirely next summer.

0:26 Martin opens the show.

1:10 Martin apologizes that they missed last week’s episode.

1:41 Martin shares a comment from Danny Starr about ghost blogging.

2:47 Gini introduces this week’s topic: will social media change traditional book publishing? The topic was inspired by Seth Godin’s decision to abandon traditional book publishing.

3:52 Gini wonders if traditional book publishing is dying, needs to evolve or if Seth Godin can get away with it due to all his best sellers?

5:40 Martin thinks traditional book publishing needs to be shook up.

10:15 Joe says that due to links in digital content, we’ve stop reading in a linear fashion.

15:00 Martin points out that textbooks that are republished with updates year after year would benefit from an electronic format.

19:35 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.

Inside PR 2.17 – Wednesday, August 18, 2010

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This week on Inside PR, Martin and Gini discuss ghost blogging and whether it should be done or not.

0:25 Martin opens the show.

1:44 Martin thanks Sallie Goetsch for helping us correct a glitch with last week’s episode of Inside PR. (Thanks again, Sallie!)

2:17 Martin tells us about a great movie he saw over the weekend, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.

3:26 Gini introduces this week’s topic: ghost blogging and talks about a discussion that went on about it on her blog post.

8:10 Gini wonders if there is a middle ground with ghost blogging – should we do it for clients or not?

8:17 Martin shares his perspective.

18:10 Martin closes the show.

Our theme music was created by Damon de Szegheo; Roger Dey is our announcer.

This week’s episode was produced by Yasmine Kashefi.